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Goku vs Goku
Topic Started: May 15 2012, 02:16 PM (3,704 Views)
GridZero
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You know, it might just be the Viz translation, but Goku doesn't seem surprised.

He's surprised that Goten can go Super Saiyan. When Vegeta tells him it was a ''cheap shot,'' he just tells Vegeta not to blame him. I don't think that that little bubble is indicative of him knowing about the rule.

Saying that it's an assumption that they didn't tell Goku, yet he somehow knew would be like saying that Goku should've somehow known that the Androids would've been a boy and a girl, yet Trunks didn't mention anything like that when they spoke.
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GridZero
May 16 2012, 05:44 PM
They never told Goku about the SSJ rule 10 years ago to begin with. The Saiyans, and even the humans don't need to go Full Power to beat the competitors at the World Tournament.

Whether or not they were going to use the SSJ rule at the EoZ World Tournament is up to interpretation. What is not up to interpretation is the fact that Goku was going to need ''100% Power'' to beat Oob, who is supposed to be ~ Kid Boo.

How does Base Goku (EoZ) ~ SSJ3 Goku (Boo Saga), if he needs 100% Power/SSJ3 to beat Kid Boo/Oob, who isn't in another dimension in terms of power from Fat Boo?
wrong goku didnt say he NEEDED anything, he said he WANTED to be at one hundred percent, the WHy is obvious.
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Still doesn't change the fact that he was going to go all out on someone who he thought was ~ Kid Boo level.
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GridZero
May 16 2012, 10:36 PM
You know, it might just be the Viz translation, but Goku doesn't seem surprised.

He's surprised that Goten can go Super Saiyan. When Vegeta tells him it was a ''cheap shot,'' he just tells Vegeta not to blame him. I don't think that that little bubble is indicative of him knowing about the rule.

Saying that it's an assumption that they didn't tell Goku, yet he somehow knew would be like saying that Goku should've somehow known that the Androids would've been a boy and a girl, yet Trunks didn't mention anything like that when they spoke.
They didn't tell him about the tourney, he eavesdropped in on the conversation between Gohan and Vegeta. Vegeta didn't specifically tell him about ascending SSJ but they were on the same wavelength. No one said Piccolo and Kami are one but he called him Kamicolo fresh after waking up. Goku knows!
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That's still assuming. Goku didn't know his own son could go Super Saiyan.
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No, assuming is that goku needed SSJ3 to take UUb on when it was obvious he could take him in base. He wanted to gauge uUbs power against his own, otherwise WHY offer to train him and then later admit its because he wants to fight him AGAIN after getting stronger? its not rocket science man.
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Yeah, it's not rocket science.

100% Full Power = Base?

What? You're all only saying that because of the SSJ rule, which has been discredited.
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so goku was just willingly gona go ssjin 3 and destroy the stadium with oob
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As outlandish as it sounds, probably.

What's more outlandish is Goku thinking about a rule that was thought up 10 years ago that he wasn't even told about :rofl:
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Base Goku EoZ stomps FPSSjin Goku @Buu
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i want to LOL, but i cant, it just doesnt seem plausible to promise and tell Uub these things if they didnt mean squat. Makes no sense.

I did not say that because of the SSJ rule im saying it because of what goku says AT THAT TIME!!

what he says to UUb is more than enough for me to believe he got what he wanted. To see how deep Uubs power really ran.

Goku said Ouch when Uub kicked at him and goku blocked it, Thats impressive enough. Not much else mattered to goku.
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I'm not saying he didn't get what he wanted. I'm saying Oob didn't meet his expectations. Of course, he has the raw power to, but no one trained him, so he didn't amount to much at the time.

Assumptions: Kid Boo ~ Enraged Oob ; which is perfectly plausible, but there's nothing, except misinterpreted statements that'll draw someone to that conclusion.
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wrong goku didnt say he NEEDED anything, he said he WANTED to be at one hundred percent, the WHy is obvious.


No, the why isn't obvious. It isn't in Goku's character to power up to full and crush his opponents. And he can't expect Uub to be >>> Kid Buu, who he knows is close to his SSJ3 Buu-saga self. So if Goku's actually ~SSJ3 Buu saga Goku while he's in base, why would he care whether or not he's at 100%? He'd be able to crush an Uub~Kid Buu (which seems unlikely in the first place) at less than 10% full power. And that's assuming 10x, 2x, 4x SSJ multipliers. At standard 50x, 2x, 4x, he'd only need less than 1%.

It seems much more plausible he would say he NEEDED to be 100% if FPSSJ3 EOZ Goku ~ Kid Buu. He would need to be 100% in case Uub was already ~Kid Buu power, and didn't know how to control it or whatever. Thus, he'd NEED to be 100% to stop people from dying, the stadium getting blown up, etc.

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May 17 2012, 03:05 AM
i want to LOL, but i cant, it just doesnt seem plausible to promise and tell Uub these things if they didnt mean squat. Makes no sense.

I did not say that because of the SSJ rule im saying it because of what goku says AT THAT TIME!!

what he says to UUb is more than enough for me to believe he got what he wanted. To see how deep Uubs power really ran.

Goku said Ouch when Uub kicked at him and goku blocked it, Thats impressive enough. Not much else mattered to goku.


If base EOZ Goku~SSJ3 Goku, why would he even be excited about fighting Uub? He would lolstomp Kid Buu ~ Uub at even MSSJ, let alone SSJ3. He was excited about fighting an "all-out" battle or however he stated it, which is laughable for him to do against anyone with as strong as EOZ overpowering has him. He asked for Kid Buu to be reincarnated, not Kid Buu's power times 400.

The line only makes sense if base Goku eoz~ base Goku Buu saga (and thus equal at all transformations), and Uub (enraged) ~ < 5-10% of Kid Buu. This would mean Goku has reached his limit during the Buu Saga(end of the series, makes sense), and he's going off to train Uub so he can be ~ Kid Buu ~ SSJ3 Goku (eoz/Buu saga) , giving him the "all-out fight" that he wants. It's also a much cleaner ending than "Goku gets preposterously strong, and Kid Buu's reincarnate happens to have ridiculous potential as well as Kid Buu's strength at age 10." Which is pretty far removed from what Goku asked for as he was finishing Buu.

Edited by Winner777, May 18 2012, 03:11 AM.
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Winner777 is my new best friend :cool:

(Seriously though, those last two paragraphs crush the entire argument)
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